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Gérard
Sousi President of"Art et
Droit" - You run your Abode of Chaos, Server Group and Artprice
simultaneously. Any synergy between these three economic
units?
Thierry Ehrmann - The Demeure du Chaos and its universe is
indissociable from the incredible history of Artprice, world leader in art
market information, and The server Group, historic pioneer of online
databases in Europe since 1987.
Our visitors are always intrigued by the
two faces of the Demeure du Chaos. They find it hard to imagine that under
the heliport there are cleanrooms with close to 900 servers distributing
knowledge throughout the world on Internet via our own optical fibre
networks. At the same time, on the ground and first floors, a team of
nearly 90 people works round-the-clock in relay to steer and direct the
major flows of information we produce and disseminate on Internet
worldwide.
A little higher, at the heart of the
central building, the catalogue and manuscript rooms - with more than
290,000 auction catalogues from 1700 to the present day - provides the
material for our researchers and editors to compile and scan contributing
to what is now recognised as the largest source of art market history on
the planet. So far we have written more than one million biographies and
described (and filed) 110 million works of art with high definition photos
- all accessible online.
One of the principal axiums of the
Demeure du Chaos is to regenerate the knowledge revolution that took place
during the European Renaissance, and particularly in Lyon, a major city at
the time. In my view, the European Renaissance was co-dependent with one
invention above all - that of printing - and the new horizons of knowledge
that this invention allowed via the dissemination of
knowledge.
The simple fact of being able to
duplicate information (mechanically) contributed to the emergence of
humanist thought: writers and scholars could at last compare their ideas,
refer to ancient manuscripts, publicise their different philosophical
heritages and expound their personal visions to a relatively large
audience. This technical revolution was accompanied by a “boom” in
travelling and expeditions with the sole aim of discovering the world: in
this way, knowledge began a rapid horizontal, geographical and missionary
expansion; thinking was focused on progress, the motor of a purely Western
history.
This era, initiated by Gütenberg, is
coming to an end today at a time when the Earth is entirely covered with
communication networks reaching into its most hidden corners via Internet.
In this contemporary schema, I see the Demeure du Chaos as a Global
Internet eXchange (gix), a genuine modal hub of a knowledge grid
disseminating outwards through its network.
The
Demeure du Chaos is a “state within a state”, a veritable kernel of the
Republican system.
G.S - What kind of philosophy underlies the
creation of the Organ Museum and the Abode of
Chaos?
Th.E -The duality of my existence as a founder
of The server Group and Artprice (listed on the Paris Euronext Premier
Marché) and my life over the last 25 years as an artist is reflected and
complemented by the duality of the place.
The “Organe” Museum, for its part,
is a place where the public are welcome - an open-air free museum visited
each year by 120,000 people who come to see the Demeure’s collection of
thousands of art works, but also to discover how art lives with proteiform
21st century industry.
The Demeure du Chaos is a place where
scholars work; but it is also my personal residence and that of my clan.
Without any concession, I mark each stone, each roof, each floor, each
tree of my works in accordance with the axium of
09/12/1999.
This duality that confronts my commitment
as a sculptor and author over the last 25 years with my role as founder of
Artprice, The server Group and its 12 subsidiaries, is often criticised,
sometimes violently, by a conservative and conformist business community.
However this duality does allow me - assisted by the dream-like atmosphere
of the place - to host the most learned academics and experts capable of
wining in any economic system, and on any continent. The impressive number
and diversity of the nationalities on the site bears witness to this new
digital Babylon that the Demeure du chaos has evolved
into.
The incisive and pertinent remarks of the
French Financial Markets Authority (AMF) in our now famous reference
documents for the regulated market translate the evolution of my artistic
thought and its mutation into action in the economic sphere. Certain
regulated agreements between the Demeure du Chaos and the group have
become self-fulfilling prophecies where the power of art invites itself
into the world of finance. My dual approach provides both spiritual
enrichment for the Demeure du Chaos - and material: our 18,000
shareholders…
How
can one build, from nothing, Artprice, a mythic company providing copy for
90 of the global art market press - without being oneself, both in mind
and in body, an artist with a passion for art
history?
GS - In which way does the Abode of
Chaos impact the art market of the 21st
C.?
Th.E -The
Demeure du Chaos is a redoubtable war machine, a Trojan horse at the heart
of the financial markets. It produces and diffuses unimaginable quantities
of knowledge about the art market, law, the economy and science, while day
and night, our other artists occupy 9,000 m2 to (re)write - with our
artistic viewpoint - the “history of the world without
subtext”.
Our
radical deconstruction of the traditional barrier between living space and
work space and of furniture in these spaces has had an impact on the 2,500
m2 of offices where The server Group, its subsidiaries and Artprice are
resident. This humanist approach is shared by the artists and employees of
the two Groups.
The
Demeure du Chaos has two faces: that of Alchemy (The Spirit of the Lizard)
and that of hypermodernity. But it also has two incarnations: physical
embodiment, with its 2,700 works (sculptures, paintings, installations)
engraved in its flesh, and its “double” on Internet with more than
1,200,000 sites presenting photos and videos taken during visits to the
Demeure du Chaos. In November 2007, if you search Google with “Demeure du
Chaos” and “Abode of Chaos”, you get 1,413,000 results leading to millions
de photos and videos of the Demeure du Chaos
In
fact, I am convinced that the Internet is a metaphor for the Divine, if
not, for God him /her/itself. The dry voice that illuminates the Demeure
du Chaos bestows the gift of ubiquity between the physical world and the
world of ideas.
When
I began using Internet in 1987, we were less than 50,000 users worldwide;
but I was convinced we were on the brink of a major revolution that would
radically alter the history of human progress.
Internet has been my universe for 21
years and I founded Net Nobility (QED Time Magazine) so that - in
accordance with the will of the pioneers - there should remain forever
this Internet which, for me, is the natural progeny of Proudhon and
Bakunin.
GS - What is the positioning of the Abode of
Chaos in the digital revolution?
Th.E -Here at the Demeure du Chaos
we are in the process of rebuilding the great library of
Alexandria!
“Memory of the world” according to
Philippe Quéau of UNESCO, the Internet ignores frontiers and destroys in
its passage all regimes hostile to the free circulation of information.
This dematerialisation by Internet of our
old world and of its economy is creating a digital empire on the cusp of
the 21st century in the form of an enormous and chaotic “glocal” village
(global and local) that would have been very much to the taste of the
sociologist Marshall Mc?Luhan.
Thus,
education, research, trade, the economy and the general organisation of
information will experience - in a very short period of time -
unimaginable changes. Never in the history of mankind has a technical
revolution had such an impact on people’s lives in such a short period and
so ubiquitously around the world.
Thus more than 230 nation-states, each
with 2 to 3 centuries of accumulated legislation and regulatory frameworks
are being overshadowed by a technical revolution that abolishes
territories and disregards time. This mutation from territorial to
cyberspace constitutes one of the major shocks to human organisation and
it is particularly important that we should understand its significance as
it is clearly leading to a major transformation of the very nature of our
perceptions and of our social relations.
In the frenetic world of Internet and the
digital revolution, companies must be much more flexible, capable of
changing their profiles literally overnight in order to adapt to new and
draconian economic conditions. According to certain English language media
publicatins, the Demeure du Chaos, headquarters of The server Group and
Artprice, is the ultimate form of an evolution towards a more cerebral
economy, so to speak, in which the product is access to time and to
intellectual activity.
GS – As a result, would you say the
digital world redefines economics and perhaps politics as
well?
Th.E
-Everyday, the Demeure du Chaos
and its collection of works takes us into another world that is much more
cerebral and immaterial, a world of platonic forms, of ideas, of images
and of archetypes, of concepts and of scenarios. A world governed by the
logic of access to knowledge and by the logic of the Internet network.
Ideas become the raw material of economic activity, and the ultimate goal
is universal knowledge via information servers.
The capacity to extend one’s mental
presence infinitely, to be universally connected in order to affect and
gradually raise the knowledge of human beings by the dissemination of
organised knowledge (the database), that is the humanist ambition of the
third millennium.
Let us not forget that the relatively
modern notion of “property”, characterised by private possession,
exclusivity and exchange values was one of the central institutions of the
industrial era.
After
five hundred years of hegemony, this vision of civilisation based on
commerce between buyers and sellers of property has been subjected to a
radical deconstruction which fits in with the conceptual axium that I
wrote on 9 December 1999 about the Demeure du Chaos.
The new horizon of the era is defined by
the logic of access to knowledge by servers - which leads us to rethink
economic relations, political action and our perception of our own
identity such as it emerges from the depths of our
consciousness.
The Demeure du Chaos is a medieval town
where, deep within its bowels, we are working to modify the vision of the
world. A well-known financial analyst at Goldman Sachs once summarised the
whole thing very succinctly?: “There is Alchemy everywhere, even in your
shares which have posted the strongest growth of all listed companies on
all markets. You have created an Alchemy between your artistic madness and
your vision of industry in the third millennium within The server Group”.
“With Artprice and its 1,300,000 subscribers, you have pushed the entire
art market into hypermodernity by dematerialising
it.”
When our economic visitors leave the
Demeure du Chaos somewhat shaken by this dual vision of our activities, I
can’t resist telling them: “you ain’t seen nothing
yet!”
What
we will experience over the next few years will far exceed many of the
existing anticipatory or science fiction writings on the
matter.
GS - A last word to
conclude?
Th.E -
To better summarize my dual reasoning as
an artist and knowledge builder, I would quote my old master Pythagoras,
the first philosopher for whom everything was numbers except for the
essences which are human emotions that are unquantifiable, inexpressible
and number defying…
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